7/2/2023 0 Comments Diplomacy no stupid gameOtherwise bot games can be drawn or cancelled anytime." If a bot is winning a game and has gained supply centers in the last 4 turns, it will stop the game from being drawn or cancelled. The bots in this game do not get a pause or unpause vote, pausing and unpausing only counts human votes. Bot's also don't know how to draw, so the site handles that logic for them. Without this check, the bots have entered orders instantly for centuries of play crashing the entire site. As soon as there is no human in the game, the game is instantly drawn. Precisely! Which is why I started this forum thread, to highlight situations that shouldn't have been allowed.īot's have different draw rules. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see how that can happen - according to my understanding Austria would be eliminated immediately after retreats. Sun 12:26 pm This game where Austria drew in your opening post actually also looks weird - the orders say the retreats happened, but on the board Vienna is still red and Austria has 1 centre. Here's an example of a game that was drawn, despite one player having 18 centres (yes, seriously): That shouldn't have happened. The trouble is webDiplomacy allows players to change their votes at any time, and more importantly, it processes draws during any phase, before checking defeats or victory. There is a good reason why the official rulebook says no diplomacy of any kind during processing orders, retreats, or builds. If everyone voted for a draw prior to the retreats and build phases, then the game should end as a draw prior to the retreats and build phases. 'No units and no home SCs' also seems fine, but it's not actually what the rulebook says and it's a bit more complicated.ĭoesn't this just come down to deciding whether to process one more set of orders? If the rules say that gaining and losing units (or centers, for that matter) only happens during adjustments phases, and you agree to draw before the adjustment phase, then you've made a choice to include them in a draw (and foregone the choice to exclude them by processing one more turn in which they would be eliminated). Personally, I think the current rule of 'no SCs' is simple, and the outcomes are fine (obviously it's a matter of opinion, but I think drawing with Denmark and no units is perfectly sensible). But the official rule is 'no units', not 'no units and no home SCs' - so I think the official rule here is pretty odd. I did look at the examples, and I realise that in the example you show, the centre isn't a home centre and you could never build again. I agree that the distinction matters in the case of a draw. Therefore it's wrong to count players with 0 centres or 0 units and no home centres as surviving. (Against bots I consider draws failures too: only solo-victories count.) However, as long as the game is not finished, the distinction between survived and defeated is super important: survivors are included in draws. Yes, once a game is finished, both survivals and a defeats are losses. In the first example, my last unit was dislodged in Autumn 1907, yet I “survived” until the end of the game in Autumn 1909, because Denmark was still mine. Please look at the examples: having no units and no home centres means you will never be able to build, regardless how many other centres you have. The first example could be addressed by considering players with centres but neither units, nor the ability to train any to be defeated the second by performing the solo-victory check at the end of the build phase, instead of the start and the third by not processing any draw votes during the retreat or build phases. Strictly speaking these are violations of the official rules: in all three cases the player ought to have been defeated. It distinguishes between alive (“survived”) and eliminated (“defeated”).Īn example where a player (Germany, I, Nescio) survived despite having 0 units: Īn example where a player (Italy, Kestas Bot) survived despite having 0 centres: Īn example where a player (Austria, Jane) was included in a draw despite having 0 units or centres: WebDiplomacy has its own, less strict interpretation. “adjustments”) are written and revealed simultaneously without As with retreats, gaining and losing units (collectively known as
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